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  • i agree and disagree with what you have said i agree that this culture i live in in england is similar to that of the american culture you are our transatlantic cousins afterall. the british society has been subject to change because of the government english people call england a kingdom but is it really a kingdom i think taht the monarchy is completely extinct to be quite honest and i am not slating the royal family i am just saying the days where the monarchy had the choice in what happened in our society has been detrimentally changed. the dickhead prime minister david cameron decides it will be benificial for the country to cut the budget hugely with everything being budget cut by 40% except that of the military of defence and the national health service which have been cut by 20% i think is atrocious the national health service is in dire need for money and all teh government can do is take away 20%of thier allowances is just appaling but enough of polotics. i think that social network has affected the way friends can just go and knock for one another and just casually chill out i think social networking has affected what goes on with friendships and relationships, i have seen friendships, relationships, fights, arguments, and break ups all on facebook i mean that is low of the low arguing to someone by sending data across the internet i think it is disgusting. i think that facebook could also help support bullying, pedofilia, and abuse in general but also facebook has provided internationally a wide range of culture diversity and age and that can be invaluable in some respect also to socialise online to your friends can be quite amusing but nothing beats the classic phonecall. like you wolf i was going to delete my facebook because i found myself competing for friends i dont randomly add or accept people i dont know but i dont like teh general thought of it all. but this is my disagreement i think that technological advances have shaped this world for the better and make this world easier to live but this ease on civilization has inspired laziness and i think thats the way the technological ladder is heading.....towards laziness. but for me though i am content with who i have got and what i do thank you wolf for this intresting topic ! i did enjoy posting my views !!!!! shadows are near
  • i always wonder where the hell it's all heading... and one of the motivations to stay alive is just to see how it all goes down! i feel like my generation is one of the last ones that were old enough to really get a sense of the pre-internet/cellphone/youtube/facebook/etc ager ... A TIME BEFORE! i'm happy i didn't have all that stuff growing up but maybe the transition into it has made things wonkier... i really can't imagine kids these days [KIDS THESE DAYS!] growing up with all that extra stuff in their lives... making it more complicated and complex... and information overload but yeah like our buddy clay son i think it is important to try and think of the good too... the boom of stuff at the begin of the 1900s and now the begin of the 2000s is feeling similar but in a very different way! ... and the thousands of years that people led such simple lives! ... work sleep work sleep over and over! ... possibly never going more than a few miles from where they grew up... never talking to people all around the world or experiencing many things! ...i think about that a LOT! even if i did nothing all that big in my life compared to some farmer dude hey at least i travelled and spoke to and met so many varying peoples and so many movies and albums and concerts and fun nights with friends... i don't know sometimes in this world of possibility i do wonder if i'd have been much happier in simpler times... not knowing any better! ... just too much stuff to think about it just gets to you! theser days... and i just don't see it progressing into something that truly changes things for the better in a personal sense... they promises us jetpaks! and real virtuality! yet despite all my rage i am still just a monkey in a cage! so WHIP IT! whip it good! <!-- s>__< --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/mad.gif" alt=">__<" title="mad" /><!-- s>__< -->
  • I remember having these kinds of conversations and guess what?! Nothing happens, nothing changes, and no one grows. Everyone just gets grumpy or whiny.
  • *breaks winilula's cellphone & computer* nothing happens, eh? (who's laughing now!) bam!
  • nothing happens as a result of THESE CONVERSATIONS. Not in general. Or were you just baiting me? I'll smack ya bottom!
  • I think it's kind of easy to point out the negative effects of advances in technology. The argument against technology reminds me a lot of the suburbs = evil soullessness mentality. This is kind of off topic but the Dirty Projectors, who I kinda don't like, have this song called Temecula Sunrise. Temecula's a suburb full of wineries about two hours away from where I live that I've been visiting regularly for years; there's this casino/resort place there that's become sort of a second home to me because of how often my mom takes me there. And although there is really nothing abnormal about the town, whenever I go there I feel so much freer than I do at home. It probably has something to do with knowing the place well while no one else there knows me. And there is something strangely beautiful about it all. The band said this about the song: "I've driven through, yeah. As we're driving through it's just like, improbably brand new construction homes as far as the eye could see. [Former Dirty Projector] Susanna [Waiche] was like, "My grandfather and I used to go for picnics up when the flowers would bloom for like two weeks up in the hills here." It was so hard to imagine. My friend James Sumner [the animator who worked on The Getty Address] and I, were talking about how warehouses in the late 20th century were these bohemian zones for artists to camp out and work on their art projects. These disused spaces of a formerly industrial economy, or whatever. We were thinking about the same sort of thing happening when the kind of like social or economic impetus that drove these huge new construction swaths of suburbia and the exurbs of all these American cities. We imagined whole subdivisions would get colonized by these kids who paint the houses like these beautiful, crazy murals and work on their funny escapist utopian art projects in McMansions. [Laughs] So the song is sort of about that." Now, not that that isn't an interesting idea, but something about reading that seemed really pretentious and pissed me off. My parents are one of the owners of those "McMansions" (we rent it out) and when they bought it, before we rented it out to anyone we went and stayed there sometimes. Weekends in that house have inspired me incredibly; there's been this story running through my head for a couple years that I want to turn into a book, and it's set there. I guess basically what I'm saying is that if you ignore the positive experiences of people who have been affected by development, whether physical or technological, you end up thinking it's worse than it is. Specifically concerning the internet/technology though, (I know i've talked about this a lot, sorry) when I was in middle school I joined a forum community that has shaped my character in so many ways. They have honestly taught me the meaning of the word family. Many of the people I've met online, especially there, I've come to love incredibly. And our conversations aren't all just text. I often associate them with Temecula. I thought it was because they were both escapes to me, but now I've realized they take up a large part of my reality; I don't think all people are meant to or are able to make connections with people/places like that, but I'm very much an introverted feeler and I value my inner experiences equally, if not more than my external ones. Sorry if this is rambly and doesn't make sense with the original topic.
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  • ROCK ON with your grumpy-ass self!
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  • just to say again i am not being whiny with kids and technology these days because i am a kid with this technology like i said before i am content with my life and who i have got <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/lol.gif" alt=":D" title="lol" /><!-- s:D -->
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  • that is very interesting wolf thanks !!
  • "you kids, walking around with your noses buried in books all the time, sheesh. You're missing out on life! Your brains are being poisoned! Back in my day, we didn't HAVE books, we told stories and were all family like and the generations were close. Now you just read and never talk to your elders, your attention spans are shot, and all you care about is the next big book and what your peers are reading. Downfall of society, I tell ya. Pass the whale blubber, will ya?"
  • i sometimes read books and i sometimes argue with my mum so guess taht does work out !
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  • Ugh ugh ugh ugh, ugh 'language' ugh ugh, ugh ugh! Ugh ugh ugh, 'words', 'communication', ugh ugh. ugh! Ugh ugh ugh ugh, ugh ugh. ugh ugh!!!
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  • eh. yeah technically we don't need anything, but who cares. its all entertainment, and you can look at it positively or negatively. you can be cynical and a downer or you can be happy and revel in it. i can live without an instrument or a computer, but i prefer living with them. basically thats just, like, your opinion, man
  • [quote="thedude"] basically thats just, like, your opinion, man[/quote] I don't think this thread is so much about stating opinions as it is about sharing ideas and realizations. Essentially it's all just opinions, but it's kind of redundant to point that out. Are conversations nothing but turn-taking of opinions? I guess with some people they can be. Please don't mistake my sarcastic yet good natured approach to this topic as criticism or as an invitation to unhelpfully refute. Dialogue is good.
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  • [quote="wolftigerrosebud"][quote="winilula"][quote="thedude"] basically thats just, like, your opinion, man[/quote] Essentially it's all just opinions, but it's kind of redundant to point that out.[/quote] Excuse me for doing this, wini, but isn't that just your opinion? I couldn't resist. Well, Duder (is it ok if I call you that? I love the Big Lebowski), or His Dudeness, El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing, my point wasn't just that we don't need any of these things. That's part of it. The rest is that life is better [i]without[/i] these things. Then again, better is just my opinion. I'll elaborate: by "better", I mean more peaceful, living with more clarity, suffering less, being more content, and living more fully. Of course, by "living more fully", I mean being aware of more moments, more fully aware than when I'm constantly thinking of what I'm going to do next or what I did last night, what my Facebook says, that I [i]can't believe[/i] Becky wrote what she did about Ronny on his wall, that maybe someone's texting me, that I wish these jeans didn't make my butt look so big. Cynicism and realism aren't the same thing. I love living. It's awesome and mysterious. Being alive amazes me every day, and I try to be grateful for it whenever I remember to. I live more fully when I turn off my gadgets and leave my cell phone at home, breathe in and pay attention to my surroundings. Technology itself isn't evil. Nothing's evil. Shit, nothing is good or evil, as those are only mental formations. Nothing matters (Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos), but if nothing matters, why shouldn't every moment matter? Nihilism seems to me like half of the picture. If nothing matters, but we're living anyway, shouldn't we try to live as fully as we can, living our highs and lows with attentiveness and care? My contention is that these electronic things diminish the fullness of life by providing insulation of a sort. Also, that civilization is doomed because of the fundamental beliefs on which it's built, but that's guesswork (though I arrived at this conclusion through my own and others' observations of human society). Perhaps I'm a little cynical, but if I am it's because I'm paying attention to the way people live. But maybe if I just bought a new iPod Micro, I'd feel better.[/quote] i get what you mean. i like my technology but i agree that we cant be too dependent on it. but if we didnt have technology, think about the things we wouldn't have like animal collective. also other person, winilula i think, that was a quote from the big lebowski, <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/razz.gif" alt=":P" title="razz" /><!-- s:P -->
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  • but thats the thing, i'm not sure how far you're going with the technology thing. because if its no computers or something i wouldn't have heard animal collective as i found it in itunes suggestions. explain more i guess
  • why cant we go back to the goos old days with cowboys and indians and riding horses and spitting chewing tobacco on dogs (for anyone who has seen the legend of jocie whale) or why cant we fly using canvas and string or bowling around on a steamboat or somin like that ya'lll
  • [quote]the goose old days[/quote] yes! and THE GOOEY DAYS!
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